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Lizza says Obama has bombed more nations than Bush
The irony of President Barack Obama, Nobel Prize winner and putative anti-war candidate, launching extensive airstrikes in Syria, quickly led to comparisons with his predecessor, President George W. Bush.
Ryan Lizza, Washington correspondent for the New Yorker summed it up in one tweet.
"Countries bombed: Obama 7, Bush 4."
We asked Lizza for his list and he sent us this:
Bush: Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Somalia.
Obama: Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria.
As we fact-checked Lizza’s statement, we found little reason to challenge the nations he named. If anything, he shortchanged both presidents.
There is no dispute whatsoever about airstrikes in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan. Bush launched wars in the first two countries and drone strikes in Pakistan have been in the news for a long time, with or without official acknowledgment. Airstrikes in those places continued under Obama.
Somalia falls largely in the same category as Pakistan. The New York Times, BBC News and other news organizations reported airstrikes as early as 2007 against people linked to the al-Qaida network.
The Bureau of Investigative Journalism, a nonprofit news service based at City University London, maintains a running list of U.S. military actions in a number of countries, including Somalia and Yemen. The bureau annotates each incident with links to press reports. By its tally, American drone strikes against suspected terrorists in Somalia occurred under both Bush and Obama.
The same pattern holds in Yemen. BBC News and Time magazine reported a CIA-directed drone attack in Yemen in 2002. This would increase Bush’s total to five countries, rather than the four Lizza cited. Lizza said he left Yemen off of Bush’s list because it was a "one-off strike, rather than a more sustained bombing campaign. Probably deserves an asterisk."
The air attacks on Libya that helped topple Moammar Gadhafi in 2011 under Obama are well documented. In March 2011, the United States and British warships fired over 100 cruise missiles to destroy Libyan air defenses. And, of course, there’s now Syria.
We might stop there but it is possible that the Philippines should be added to the rosters for both presidents.
The New York Times cites "three current and former intelligence officials" as saying that drones fired Hellfire missiles at a suspected militant camp in the Philippines in 2006. And Akbar Ahmed, a professor at the American University School of International Service, wrote on the Brookings Institution website that a similar attack took place in 2012.
If these reports are accurate, the totals for Bush and Obama would rise by one. The final, maximum number would be Bush 6: Obama 8.
PunditFact cannot confirm the authenticity of these reports.
This framework says little about the nature of each president’s air campaigns. According to Air Force data, the number of munitions dropped in Afghanistan and Iraq declined about 35 percent between 2007 under Bush and 2009 under Obama (adjusted for missing data in 2009). However in Afghanistan, the number of sorties with at least one weapon release and the number of munitions used rose in 2010 and 2011 before falling in 2012, according to Air Force data. The number of weapon releases fell greatly in 2013.
The country tally also tells us nothing about the general military strategy under each president. Bush initiated the war in Iraq, while Obama was elected on the promise to end it.
Lizza said that Obama has bombed seven countries to Bush’s four. Depending on your view of Bush’s reported drone strike into Yemen, he may have slightly undercounted Bush’s tally. Both presidents also may have bombed the Philippines.
But it's hard to fault Lizza for the numbers we use.
We rate his claim True.
Ryan Lizza, tweet, Sept. 23, 2014
New York Times, U.S. Conducts Somalia Airstrike; Envoy Urges Talks With Islamists, Jan. 25, 2007
BBC, CIA 'killed al-Qaeda suspects' in Yemen, Nov. 5, 2002
Bureau of Investigative Journalism, Yemen: Reported US covert actions 2001-2011
Bureau of Investigative Journalism, Somalia: Reported US covert actions 2001- 2014
Time, Yemen Strike Opens New Chapter in War on Terror, Nov. 5, 2002
BBC, US Somali air strikes 'kill many', Jan. 9, 2007
Quartz, Countries bombed by the United States since Sept. 11, 2001, Sept. 23, 2014
New York Times, The Drone Zone, July 6, 2012
Brookings Institution, Deadly Drone Strike on Muslims in the Southern Philippines, March 5, 2012
CNN, U.S. fires on Libyan air defense targets, March 19, 2011
U.S. Air Force Central, 2004-2009 Airpower statistics, November 2009
U.S. Air Force Central, 2007-2012 Airpower statistics, Dec. 31, 2012
Center for Strategic and International Studies, Air combat trends in the Afghan and Iraq wars, March 11, 2008
Congressional Research Service, Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad, 1798-2009 , Jan. 27, 2010
USA Today, Fewer airstrikes in Afghanistan mirror tactical shift, April 8, 2009
Air Force Times, U.S. weapons releases in Afghanistan drop dramatically, Sept. 11, 2013
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